Comments on: The Best 200 Hong Kong Films Ever - Numbers 40-21 http://www.lovehkfilm.com/blog/damnyoukozo/2012/12/31/the-best-200-hong-kong-films-ever-numbers-40-21/ Tue, 05 May 2026 10:44:57 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.3 By: Tory http://www.lovehkfilm.com/blog/damnyoukozo/2012/12/31/the-best-200-hong-kong-films-ever-numbers-40-21/#comment-135912 Tory Mon, 07 Jan 2013 19:39:31 +0000 http://www.lovehkfilm.com/blog/damnyoukozo/2012/12/31/the-best-200-hong-kong-films-ever-numbers-40-21/#comment-135912 Two things: 1) I'd hoped that Exiled would make it to the top 20. I love the hell out of that movie. It's close, but it *juuuuust* edges out The Mission as far as being my favorite To movie. 2) Why in the world is Red Cliff so high?! I love Woo as much as the next guy (probably more), but wtf? Two things:

1) I’d hoped that Exiled would make it to the top 20. I love the hell out of that movie. It’s close, but it *juuuuust* edges out The Mission as far as being my favorite To movie.

2) Why in the world is Red Cliff so high?! I love Woo as much as the next guy (probably more), but wtf?

]]> By: Michael Wells http://www.lovehkfilm.com/blog/damnyoukozo/2012/12/31/the-best-200-hong-kong-films-ever-numbers-40-21/#comment-135796 Michael Wells Mon, 07 Jan 2013 04:51:21 +0000 http://www.lovehkfilm.com/blog/damnyoukozo/2012/12/31/the-best-200-hong-kong-films-ever-numbers-40-21/#comment-135796 Although now it occurs to me that neither RAINING IN THE MOUNTAIN nor THE VALIANT ONES have ever been available in good English-subbed versions (I've, ahem, developed a source recently, so I have them), and in fact COME DRINK WITH ME is Hu's only eligible film that is, thanks to Celestial. That might have a lot to do with it, too. Although now it occurs to me that neither RAINING IN THE MOUNTAIN nor THE VALIANT ONES have ever been available in good English-subbed versions (I’ve, ahem, developed a source recently, so I have them), and in fact COME DRINK WITH ME is Hu’s only eligible film that is, thanks to Celestial. That might have a lot to do with it, too.

]]> By: Michael Wells http://www.lovehkfilm.com/blog/damnyoukozo/2012/12/31/the-best-200-hong-kong-films-ever-numbers-40-21/#comment-135739 Michael Wells Sun, 06 Jan 2013 15:29:52 +0000 http://www.lovehkfilm.com/blog/damnyoukozo/2012/12/31/the-best-200-hong-kong-films-ever-numbers-40-21/#comment-135739 Thanks for the clarification. Yeah, I can't imagine Hu would be MIA for this vote unless people were confused about his made-in-HK qualifications. I hesitated about putting those two on until I did a little research, and some people who aren't me have better things to do. Let's run the whole vote again! Yaaaayy! Oh well, he's dead and doesn't need the personal validation this poll provides to people like Chow Yun-fat and Stephen Chow. It might sufficiently honor him if others who would have voted for either or both of those films just chimed in for this comment thread. Kinda like an asterisk next to baseball stats (apologies to any non-Americans here who don't get that). Thanks for the clarification. Yeah, I can’t imagine Hu would be MIA for this vote unless people were confused about his made-in-HK qualifications. I hesitated about putting those two on until I did a little research, and some people who aren’t me have better things to do.

Let’s run the whole vote again! Yaaaayy!

Oh well, he’s dead and doesn’t need the personal validation this poll provides to people like Chow Yun-fat and Stephen Chow. It might sufficiently honor him if others who would have voted for either or both of those films just chimed in for this comment thread. Kinda like an asterisk next to baseball stats (apologies to any non-Americans here who don’t get that).

]]> By: Webmaster Kozo http://www.lovehkfilm.com/blog/damnyoukozo/2012/12/31/the-best-200-hong-kong-films-ever-numbers-40-21/#comment-135731 Webmaster Kozo Sun, 06 Jan 2013 12:12:23 +0000 http://www.lovehkfilm.com/blog/damnyoukozo/2012/12/31/the-best-200-hong-kong-films-ever-numbers-40-21/#comment-135731 Hi Michael, no those two were not the King Hu films that were disqualified. TOUCH OF ZEN and DRAGON GATE INN were the Taiwan films that got left off. I'm not sure if people were scared off of voting for VALIANT ONES or RAINING IN THE MOUNTAIN by the stated rules. The King Hu movies were more or less FUBAR for this vote. Maybe we can honor them some other way around here. Hi Michael, no those two were not the King Hu films that were disqualified. TOUCH OF ZEN and DRAGON GATE INN were the Taiwan films that got left off. I’m not sure if people were scared off of voting for VALIANT ONES or RAINING IN THE MOUNTAIN by the stated rules. The King Hu movies were more or less FUBAR for this vote. Maybe we can honor them some other way around here.

]]> By: Michael Wells http://www.lovehkfilm.com/blog/damnyoukozo/2012/12/31/the-best-200-hong-kong-films-ever-numbers-40-21/#comment-135704 Michael Wells Sun, 06 Jan 2013 06:00:06 +0000 http://www.lovehkfilm.com/blog/damnyoukozo/2012/12/31/the-best-200-hong-kong-films-ever-numbers-40-21/#comment-135704 "Hey, it’s the King Hu movie that we’re actually allowed to put on this list!" Uugh, does this mean my votes for RAINING IN THE MOUNTAIN and THE VALIANT ONES got disqualified? IMDB lists them both as HK/Taiwan co-productions, and I believe at least part of VALIANT ONES was actually shot in HK. A little late to recalculate, I know - just curious. “Hey, it’s the King Hu movie that we’re actually allowed to put on this list!”

Uugh, does this mean my votes for RAINING IN THE MOUNTAIN and THE VALIANT ONES got disqualified? IMDB lists them both as HK/Taiwan co-productions, and I believe at least part of VALIANT ONES was actually shot in HK. A little late to recalculate, I know - just curious.

]]> By: PGiorgio http://www.lovehkfilm.com/blog/damnyoukozo/2012/12/31/the-best-200-hong-kong-films-ever-numbers-40-21/#comment-135434 PGiorgio Fri, 04 Jan 2013 14:01:04 +0000 http://www.lovehkfilm.com/blog/damnyoukozo/2012/12/31/the-best-200-hong-kong-films-ever-numbers-40-21/#comment-135434 Did anybody notice this: "Making a sequel to THE GREATEST FILM EVER sounds like a difficult task, but the INFERNAL AFFAIRS team was up to the task with INFERNAL AFFAIRS II" GREATEST. FILM. EVER. Does it mean we already have a number one? Did anybody notice this: “Making a sequel to THE GREATEST FILM EVER sounds like a difficult task, but the INFERNAL AFFAIRS team was up to the task with INFERNAL AFFAIRS II”

GREATEST. FILM. EVER. Does it mean we already have a number one?

]]> By: Viktor http://www.lovehkfilm.com/blog/damnyoukozo/2012/12/31/the-best-200-hong-kong-films-ever-numbers-40-21/#comment-135132 Viktor Wed, 02 Jan 2013 17:18:34 +0000 http://www.lovehkfilm.com/blog/damnyoukozo/2012/12/31/the-best-200-hong-kong-films-ever-numbers-40-21/#comment-135132 @RayW: He he I had to look up that reference, I am clueless when it comes to Western movies. @Kozo: Thank you Kozo for the clarification. It is excellent news that the sample size is twice what I thought it was (if you have published that info before, my bad). In that case it is easy to argue that this new ranking is definite and replaces all preceding ones. In fact, in this case I must say it's great that we had those three earlier rounds of rankings, since this time around voters had a clearer idea of the "universe" of plausible eligible choices -- all they had to do was consult those three earlier lists. It attenuates the bias in favor of the highest-profile/most recent/superstar-studded movies (which are simply easier to recall, irrespective of quality). So again, thanks for the clarification. And congratulations, I think this must be the best available ranking of its kind now. And in my opinion it also provides the very best entry point to your database of 10+ years of reviews, so this is really a good feature. @RayW: He he I had to look up that reference, I am clueless when it comes to Western movies.

@Kozo: Thank you Kozo for the clarification. It is excellent news that the sample size is twice what I thought it was (if you have published that info before, my bad). In that case it is easy to argue that this new ranking is definite and replaces all preceding ones.

In fact, in this case I must say it’s great that we had those three earlier rounds of rankings, since this time around voters had a clearer idea of the “universe” of plausible eligible choices — all they had to do was consult those three earlier lists. It attenuates the bias in favor of the highest-profile/most recent/superstar-studded movies (which are simply easier to recall, irrespective of quality).

So again, thanks for the clarification. And congratulations, I think this must be the best available ranking of its kind now. And in my opinion it also provides the very best entry point to your database of 10+ years of reviews, so this is really a good feature.

]]> By: valerie soe http://www.lovehkfilm.com/blog/damnyoukozo/2012/12/31/the-best-200-hong-kong-films-ever-numbers-40-21/#comment-135040 valerie soe Wed, 02 Jan 2013 00:58:02 +0000 http://www.lovehkfilm.com/blog/damnyoukozo/2012/12/31/the-best-200-hong-kong-films-ever-numbers-40-21/#comment-135040 Happy to see the love for An Autumn's Tale--might watch it again tonight to celebrate. And, yes, your blurb for Exiled is awesome. Happy to see the love for An Autumn’s Tale–might watch it again tonight to celebrate. And, yes, your blurb for Exiled is awesome.

]]> By: Nakf http://www.lovehkfilm.com/blog/damnyoukozo/2012/12/31/the-best-200-hong-kong-films-ever-numbers-40-21/#comment-134970 Nakf Tue, 01 Jan 2013 11:49:41 +0000 http://www.lovehkfilm.com/blog/damnyoukozo/2012/12/31/the-best-200-hong-kong-films-ever-numbers-40-21/#comment-134970 Trivia: if my calculations are correct, there are more post-2000 than 80s films on the list (53 and 47 titles respectively). That's surprising, but in a good way I think. I like how eclectic this list is, it covers 6 decades of HK cinema and [almost] all of its genres. Even if the order of titles sometimes seems not right this is a great set of 200 films (okay, 199 actually) every HK Cinema enthusiast should watch. Trivia: if my calculations are correct, there are more post-2000 than 80s films on the list (53 and 47 titles respectively). That’s surprising, but in a good way I think.

I like how eclectic this list is, it covers 6 decades of HK cinema and [almost] all of its genres. Even if the order of titles sometimes seems not right this is a great set of 200 films (okay, 199 actually) every HK Cinema enthusiast should watch.

]]> By: RayW http://www.lovehkfilm.com/blog/damnyoukozo/2012/12/31/the-best-200-hong-kong-films-ever-numbers-40-21/#comment-134962 RayW Tue, 01 Jan 2013 10:11:59 +0000 http://www.lovehkfilm.com/blog/damnyoukozo/2012/12/31/the-best-200-hong-kong-films-ever-numbers-40-21/#comment-134962 Viktor, your multiple posts and then multiple corrections reminded me of the infamous answering machine scene from Swingers! lol Re:consistency with past polls. You're not going to get it. It's simple math. In past polls we had 20 votes for a single decade. Now we've only got 20 votes for a 50+ year period. Sample size is necessarily low. Stuff gets left off lists. Imagine a situation where e.g. Blood Brothers narrowly edges out 8-Diagram on a few lists for #20. 8-Diagram gets nothing. Followed by a few loyal Charlene fans voting up Twins Effect. Soon you have Twins Effect at #180 > 8-Diagram at #182. Does anyone really believe the Twins Effect is a better film? No, but that's okay! Twins Effect was pretty good in its own way. Heck looking back at my own list, I had 36th Chamber #15, inexplicably left off 8-Diagram, and then had Initial-D at #20! Yeah... I know. But what can I say--I had a great time watching 头文字D with my young nephew. It makes my Top 20. I think in the end we're all pretty curious to see how the final Top 20 or so rank against each other. CKE vs IA vs ABT, right? Twins vs 8, not so much. Enjoy it for what it is--it's all good fun. Thanks for all the hard work, Kozo. Viktor, your multiple posts and then multiple corrections reminded me of the infamous answering machine scene from Swingers! lol

Re:consistency with past polls. You’re not going to get it. It’s simple math. In past polls we had 20 votes for a single decade. Now we’ve only got 20 votes for a 50+ year period. Sample size is necessarily low. Stuff gets left off lists.

Imagine a situation where e.g. Blood Brothers narrowly edges out 8-Diagram on a few lists for #20. 8-Diagram gets nothing. Followed by a few loyal Charlene fans voting up Twins Effect. Soon you have Twins Effect at #180 > 8-Diagram at #182. Does anyone really believe the Twins Effect is a better film? No, but that’s okay! Twins Effect was pretty good in its own way.

Heck looking back at my own list, I had 36th Chamber #15, inexplicably left off 8-Diagram, and then had Initial-D at #20! Yeah… I know. But what can I say–I had a great time watching 头文字D with my young nephew. It makes my Top 20.

I think in the end we’re all pretty curious to see how the final Top 20 or so rank against each other. CKE vs IA vs ABT, right? Twins vs 8, not so much. Enjoy it for what it is–it’s all good fun.

Thanks for all the hard work, Kozo.

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