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	<title>Comments on: Red Cliff &#8212; The Condensed Version</title>
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		<title>By: achillesgirl</title>
		<link>http://www.lovehkfilm.com/blog/roninonempty/?p=27#comment-35</link>
		<dc:creator>achillesgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 23:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your opinion of Red Cliff I.  I agree on all major points.  

1. Yes, prior knowledge is a must!  After first seeing Red Cliff, this white chick spent the next four months reading and watching various versions of Romance of the Three Kingdoms, then came back to Red Cliff and Hey Presto, it all made sense!  And it was soooo good after all those other crappy versions I watched!  I know that Woo views Red Cliff as an introduction to Chinese culture, but I think he doesn't understand how little we know.  And how little most of us care to know. The majority of us will need to be spoonfed the basics.   

2. Yes, Cao Cao's obsession with the wife is ridiculous. And it's demeaning to his character.  As if pure power is not motivation enough for war...  Can't he just be a normal treacherous, strategically brilliant power-monger? Axe the whole sexual obsession thing; it's just dumb.  

3. Puhleaze, John Woo's infamous long, loving glances don't take up that much screen time!  Hey, the manly men turning their heads skyward to quietly listen to the boy play the flute was, in my opinion, way more gooshy.  That's a scene that I think could (and should) be dispensed with, along with:

4. The qin jam/bonding scene.  Yes, it does explain the bond, but Woo could chop the scene up and add it into a montage of bonding/training/preparing and achieve the same result. Or something like that.  I intensely disliked the music in this scene (all the music in the film, actually), so I'd love to make it go away.

5.  Yes, Tony Leung needs more screen time.  But Kaneshiro is indeed the hub around which all things revolve, so I very much like the idea of the Watson/Holmes relationship in a voice-over.    

I am waiting for my copy of Red Cliff II to arrive, so I've got nothing left to say! 

Great ideas for the combo "Battle of Red Cliff". If I were Mr. Woo I'd hire you right away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your opinion of Red Cliff I.  I agree on all major points.  </p>
<p>1. Yes, prior knowledge is a must!  After first seeing Red Cliff, this white chick spent the next four months reading and watching various versions of Romance of the Three Kingdoms, then came back to Red Cliff and Hey Presto, it all made sense!  And it was soooo good after all those other crappy versions I watched!  I know that Woo views Red Cliff as an introduction to Chinese culture, but I think he doesn&#8217;t understand how little we know.  And how little most of us care to know. The majority of us will need to be spoonfed the basics.   </p>
<p>2. Yes, Cao Cao&#8217;s obsession with the wife is ridiculous. And it&#8217;s demeaning to his character.  As if pure power is not motivation enough for war&#8230;  Can&#8217;t he just be a normal treacherous, strategically brilliant power-monger? Axe the whole sexual obsession thing; it&#8217;s just dumb.  </p>
<p>3. Puhleaze, John Woo&#8217;s infamous long, loving glances don&#8217;t take up that much screen time!  Hey, the manly men turning their heads skyward to quietly listen to the boy play the flute was, in my opinion, way more gooshy.  That&#8217;s a scene that I think could (and should) be dispensed with, along with:</p>
<p>4. The qin jam/bonding scene.  Yes, it does explain the bond, but Woo could chop the scene up and add it into a montage of bonding/training/preparing and achieve the same result. Or something like that.  I intensely disliked the music in this scene (all the music in the film, actually), so I&#8217;d love to make it go away.</p>
<p>5.  Yes, Tony Leung needs more screen time.  But Kaneshiro is indeed the hub around which all things revolve, so I very much like the idea of the Watson/Holmes relationship in a voice-over.    </p>
<p>I am waiting for my copy of Red Cliff II to arrive, so I&#8217;ve got nothing left to say! </p>
<p>Great ideas for the combo &#8220;Battle of Red Cliff&#8221;. If I were Mr. Woo I&#8217;d hire you right away.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel</title>
		<link>http://www.lovehkfilm.com/blog/roninonempty/?p=27#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 03:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.lovehkfilm.com/blog/roninonempty/?p=27#comment-33</guid>
		<description>"Men looking at men"??  Ha ha ha.  Frankly I didn't notice all those loving glances Takeshi was giving Tony, but then I watched the DVD only once.  Now I must watch it again JUST FOR THAT REASON.  Maybe they could take the long lingering glances out of the movie &#38; compile them into a special feature for the DVD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Men looking at men&#8221;??  Ha ha ha.  Frankly I didn&#8217;t notice all those loving glances Takeshi was giving Tony, but then I watched the DVD only once.  Now I must watch it again JUST FOR THAT REASON.  Maybe they could take the long lingering glances out of the movie &amp; compile them into a special feature for the DVD.</p>
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		<title>By: Eliza Bennet</title>
		<link>http://www.lovehkfilm.com/blog/roninonempty/?p=27#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator>Eliza Bennet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.lovehkfilm.com/blog/roninonempty/?p=27#comment-32</guid>
		<description>The film is so strange to me (since I actually read the novel). Tony's character is made into the nicest guy - he is a villain in the novel- and not much mention of Zhuge (he is the SUPER hero of the novel). I liked how John Woo turned things around though. And I loved how he filmed the straw men and arrows scene. It was very similar to how I imagined it :)

So I don't think any additional info about the novel is necessary, the prominant characters in the novel (Kuan Yu, Chang Fei and Liu Bei) are just side characters in this chapter - which is more like a battle of wits between Zhuge and Chao Y, yes even though they are on the same side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The film is so strange to me (since I actually read the novel). Tony&#8217;s character is made into the nicest guy - he is a villain in the novel- and not much mention of Zhuge (he is the SUPER hero of the novel). I liked how John Woo turned things around though. And I loved how he filmed the straw men and arrows scene. It was very similar to how I imagined it <img src='http://www.lovehkfilm.com/blog/roninonempty/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>So I don&#8217;t think any additional info about the novel is necessary, the prominant characters in the novel (Kuan Yu, Chang Fei and Liu Bei) are just side characters in this chapter - which is more like a battle of wits between Zhuge and Chao Y, yes even though they are on the same side.</p>
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		<title>By: Crystal</title>
		<link>http://www.lovehkfilm.com/blog/roninonempty/?p=27#comment-29</link>
		<dc:creator>Crystal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 22:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.lovehkfilm.com/blog/roninonempty/?p=27#comment-29</guid>
		<description>Haha!  I agree, that whole hunting scene was unnecessary.  There are also things I'm glad they left out, like the whole Lady Sun/Liu Bei romance.  And they should have left out the whole start a war for a woman thing. But I'm going to continue to hold it down for RC1.  It can't be all cutting people's head's off and stabbing them in the back on the battlefield.  But I did like the fire.  Does that make me a pyromaniac?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha!  I agree, that whole hunting scene was unnecessary.  There are also things I&#8217;m glad they left out, like the whole Lady Sun/Liu Bei romance.  And they should have left out the whole start a war for a woman thing. But I&#8217;m going to continue to hold it down for RC1.  It can&#8217;t be all cutting people&#8217;s head&#8217;s off and stabbing them in the back on the battlefield.  But I did like the fire.  Does that make me a pyromaniac?</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://www.lovehkfilm.com/blog/roninonempty/?p=27#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 05:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.lovehkfilm.com/blog/roninonempty/?p=27#comment-28</guid>
		<description>i think the post is dead-on on what the movie could lose.  really almost half of the first movie and i do disagree on what can be lost in the 2nd part, well just the battle scenes.  those are easy to lose actually.  just need plot movement then the extra fluff can be cut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think the post is dead-on on what the movie could lose.  really almost half of the first movie and i do disagree on what can be lost in the 2nd part, well just the battle scenes.  those are easy to lose actually.  just need plot movement then the extra fluff can be cut.</p>
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		<title>By: Sanjuro</title>
		<link>http://www.lovehkfilm.com/blog/roninonempty/?p=27#comment-27</link>
		<dc:creator>Sanjuro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 22:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.lovehkfilm.com/blog/roninonempty/?p=27#comment-27</guid>
		<description>When Tony Leung hands Chang Chen the bow and arrow and says something like, "It's time to go hunting," I figured he was literally telling him, "Let's get our war on, dog." And then it turns out it's a metaphor, and they actually do go hunting, and we have to sit through the entire scene, even though it's pretty obvious what must happen so he'll get with the program. A lot of that stuff could be reworked or cut out.

The rescue of Liu Bei's son, etc -- maybe that should be cut down to montage/prologue material.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Tony Leung hands Chang Chen the bow and arrow and says something like, &#8220;It&#8217;s time to go hunting,&#8221; I figured he was literally telling him, &#8220;Let&#8217;s get our war on, dog.&#8221; And then it turns out it&#8217;s a metaphor, and they actually do go hunting, and we have to sit through the entire scene, even though it&#8217;s pretty obvious what must happen so he&#8217;ll get with the program. A lot of that stuff could be reworked or cut out.</p>
<p>The rescue of Liu Bei&#8217;s son, etc &#8212; maybe that should be cut down to montage/prologue material.</p>
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		<title>By: Crystal</title>
		<link>http://www.lovehkfilm.com/blog/roninonempty/?p=27#comment-26</link>
		<dc:creator>Crystal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 22:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, I think there should be MORE loving glances from Takeshi.  Isn't he looking at me?  Am I wrong?  Hee hee.  No, but I like it, I like the smirky I'm smart and are you as smart as me, but I'm not going to let you know how smart I am look!

For real, I agree that you could lose the music battle (but I liked it), but I think I may have to disagree about Tony Leung.  Don't get me wrong, you know he's my man, but I would ditch all the time they take to convince Sun Quan to get with the program.  Yeah, he's the ruler and all, but I wouldn't miss him.  That's all I'm sayin.

I think you could cut the rescue of Liu Bei's son, just have them get the refugees out.  

It should be apparent that I really don't have any ideas.  For the US, editors will cut out stuff we think should stay in, and it won't be the same, and I'll have to tell people to go get their own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, I think there should be MORE loving glances from Takeshi.  Isn&#8217;t he looking at me?  Am I wrong?  Hee hee.  No, but I like it, I like the smirky I&#8217;m smart and are you as smart as me, but I&#8217;m not going to let you know how smart I am look!</p>
<p>For real, I agree that you could lose the music battle (but I liked it), but I think I may have to disagree about Tony Leung.  Don&#8217;t get me wrong, you know he&#8217;s my man, but I would ditch all the time they take to convince Sun Quan to get with the program.  Yeah, he&#8217;s the ruler and all, but I wouldn&#8217;t miss him.  That&#8217;s all I&#8217;m sayin.</p>
<p>I think you could cut the rescue of Liu Bei&#8217;s son, just have them get the refugees out.  </p>
<p>It should be apparent that I really don&#8217;t have any ideas.  For the US, editors will cut out stuff we think should stay in, and it won&#8217;t be the same, and I&#8217;ll have to tell people to go get their own.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.lovehkfilm.com/blog/roninonempty/?p=27#comment-25</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 20:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I might have finally fixed the formatting on this post. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I might have finally fixed the formatting on this post.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.lovehkfilm.com/blog/roninonempty/?p=27#comment-24</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 19:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops! I meant Zhao Wei, the actress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops! I meant Zhao Wei, the actress.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
		<link>http://www.lovehkfilm.com/blog/roninonempty/?p=27#comment-23</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 01:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think you could cut out much (or anything) if you wanted to cut out some Zhou Xun stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think you could cut out much (or anything) if you wanted to cut out some Zhou Xun stuff.</p>
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